{"id":1804,"date":"2016-06-19T23:05:44","date_gmt":"2016-06-19T21:05:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/kratkiogledi.com\/?p=1804"},"modified":"2019-07-25T13:29:36","modified_gmt":"2019-07-25T11:29:36","slug":"opoklikutajnavjere","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kratkiogledi.com\/?p=1804","title":{"rendered":"O pokliku  &#8216;Tajna vjere!&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align:justify;\"><strong>Povijest ovog poklika<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 Usklik <em>Tajna vjere!<\/em>, zajedno s prate\u0107im poklikom puka (Tvoju smrt Gospodine, navije\u0161tamo&#8230;) novost je koju je u euharistijsku molitvu unijela liturgijska obnova nakon Drugoga vatikanskoga sabora.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 Valja odmah na po\u010detku re\u0107i da prijevod <em>Tajna vjere<\/em> ne odgovara izvornom latinskom pokliku <strong><em>M<\/em><em>ysterium fidei!<\/em><\/strong>\u00a0Naime, t<em>ajna<\/em> je prije ne\u0161to u \u0161to se ponire znanjem, spoznajom, ne\u0161to \u0161to je mogu\u0107e iscrpiti. <em>Otajstvo<\/em> je, pak, ne\u0161to \u0161to nije mogu\u0107e spoznati (samo) razumom, niti iscrpiti, ve\u0107 je ono neiscrpno, u njega se ponire vjerom.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 Ovaj poklik, kao niti op\u0107enito aklamacije nakon posve\u0107enja darova, nije do\u00a0<em>Drugog vatikanskog koncila<\/em> uobi\u010dajen u rimskoj, kao ni op\u0107enito u zapadnoj tradiciji. Ipak, ne\u0161to sli\u010dno nalazimo u ambrozijanskoj liturgiji (Milano), ali, dakako, u druga\u010dijem kontekstu. Ovakvi poklici, me\u0111utim, uobi\u010dajeni su u isto\u010dnoj tradiciji. \u010cinilo se prikladnim da se ta praksa uvede i u rimsku liturgiju, da bi se potaklo i izrazilo <strong>djelatno udioni\u0161tvo<\/strong> vjernika, tj. jasnije istaknula sve\u0107eni\u010dka narav cjelokupnog Bo\u017ejeg naroda: naime, nije samo sve\u0107enik slavitelj liturgije, nego \u010ditava Crkva, zajednica vjernika.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\"><strong>Mjesto u slavlju mise<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 \u00a0U uvrije\u017eenom shva\u0107anju vjernika, ali i sve\u0107enika, poklik <em>Tajna vjere!<\/em> redovito se smatra, pa \u010dak i tuma\u010di, kao poklik pred otajstvom euharistije (pod prilikama kruha i vina), ili pak poklik pred \u010dinom euharistijske pretvorbe, vezanom uz rije\u010di ustanovljenja euharistije. Ipak, to nije mjesto ovog poklika.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 Predslaviteljev poklik <em>Tajna vjere!,<\/em> kao ni odgovor zajednice, <strong>ne pripadaju<\/strong> izvje\u0161\u0107u o ustanovljenju euharistije ni \u010dinu posve\u0107enja, u kojima se izgovaraju Kristove rije\u010di. Ovaj poklik<strong> ima druga\u010diji smisao od onog \u0161to ga imaju rije\u010di posve\u0107enja<\/strong>. Zato je taj poklik, osim u povijesnom smislu, <strong>nov i u obrednom smislu<\/strong> \u2013 rije\u010d je o novome odlomku koji u sebi nosi druga\u010dije zna\u010denje od <em>posvetnog<\/em>\u00a0dijela. (Ba\u0161 zato nije dobra praksa kada pojedini sve\u0107enici samoinicijativno rukama pokazuju na oltar, kli\u010du\u0107i:\u00a0<em>Tajna vjere!<\/em>)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 \u00a0Poklik <em>Tajna vjere!<\/em> pripada, dakle, onome dijelu koji slijedi nakon posvetnog \u2013 <strong><em>anamnezi<\/em> <\/strong>(spomen na Gospodnje djelo otkupljenja). \u00a0Taj dio \u2013 <em>anamneza<\/em> \u2013 u euharistijskoj se molitvi otvara usklikom sve\u0107enika (<em>Tajna vjere!<\/em>), a zajednica svojim poklikom dalje razvija njegov smisao i zna\u010denje. Sve\u0107enik, potom, preuzima temu iz poklika zajednice i nastavlja molitvu: \u00bbZato, Gospodine, slavimo spomen spasonosne muke Sina tvoga, veli\u010danstvenog uskrsnu\u0107a i uza\u0161a\u0161\u0107a u nebesku slavu te i\u0161\u010dekuju\u0107i njegov drugi dolazak&#8230;\u00ab Rije\u010di anamneze uvijek su hvalbenoga karaktera, pa iz toga razloga i zapo\u010dinju dijalo\u0161kim poklikom sve\u0107enika i zajednice.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\"><strong>Smisao poklika i odgovora <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 \u00a0\u010cesto se, naime, doga\u0111a da se zna\u010denje ovog poklika i odgovora zajednice su\u017eava na otajstvo prisutnosti Krista pod prilikama kruha i vina. Me\u0111utim, odgovor zajednice na sve\u0107enikov poklik, te rije\u010di anamneze koje sve\u0107enik potom izgovara, predstavljaju, tj. jesu <strong>otajstvo kr\u0161\u0107anske vjere<\/strong>, otajstvo pred kojim slavljeni\u010dka zajednica kli\u010de i koje proslavlja cjelokupnim slavljem euharistije. Zato se poklik <em>Tajna vjere!<\/em> i odgovor ne odnose (samo) na odlomak o posve\u0107enju (pretvorbi), nego se o<strong>dnose na \u010ditavu euharistiju kao sintezu cjelokupne kr\u0161\u0107anske vjere.<\/strong> Tajna (otajstvo!) kojoj zajednica kli\u010de u tom trenutku nije euharistijsko otajstvo, nego <strong>Kristovo vazmeno otajstvo, <\/strong>koje se ne mo\u017ee sa\u017eeti samo u prisutnost pod prilikama kruha i vina, nego je u pitanju <strong>\u010ditavo slavlje euharistije<\/strong>, kao sinteza vjere.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\"><strong>Obredna gesta (stav) <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 \u00a0Iz pogre\u0161nog razumijevanja, tj. pogre\u0161nog vezanja ovoga poklika-odgovora uz dio i rije\u010di mise kojima ni sadr\u017eajno ni smisleno ne odgovara, u mnogim se zajednicama razvila i zabuna u pogledu stava. Naime, \u010desta je praksa da zajednica za vrijeme ovog poklika-odgovora kle\u010di, kao i za vrijeme posve\u0107enja. To, ipak, predstavlja obrednu zabunu koja dolazi iz ve\u0107 spomenutog krivog razumijevanja.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">Spomen na Kristovo vazmeno otajstvo (anamneza) slijedi nakon (!) izvje\u0161\u0107a o ustanovljenju euharistije, pa je potrebno i izri\u010dajno i gestualno pokazati da je doista rije\u010d o novome odlomku koji u sebi nosi druga\u010dije zna\u010denje od onoga \u2018posvetnoga\u2019.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">Sve\u0107enik rije\u010di ustanovljenja euharistije zavr\u0161ava poklonom (nakon \u2018podizanja\u2019 kale\u017ea), nakon \u010dega zajednica vjernika zajedno s njim ustaje iz stava kle\u010danja. stoje\u0107i [<em>vidi <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=1vMVDESIrPs\">snimku ustajanja na poklik na 2:40<\/a><\/em>]. Rije\u010di anamneze uvijek su hvalbenoga karaktera, pa iz toga razloga i zapo\u010dinju dijalo\u0161kim poklikom sve\u0107enika i zajednice. Tom hvalbenom klicanju odgovara druk\u010dija obredna gesta: stajati. Stoga \u0107e sve\u0107enik nakon \u0161to je zajednica ustala iz stava kle\u010danja uskliknuti Tajna vjere! a zajednica \u0107e stoje\u0107i u stavu uskrsnu\u0107a (tj. na nogama) radosnim poklikom klicati pred otajstvom Kristova vazma.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:right;\">(<em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.hilp.hr\/dokumenti_zivo_vrelo_upload\/20120313\/zivo_vrelo201203131125500.pdf\">\u017divo vrelo, br. 7, 2007.<\/a><\/em>)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 \u00a0U prilog gesti stajanja prilikom ovog dijaloga (poklika) mo\u017ee, iako u daljem smislu, poslu\u017eiti i \u010dinjenica da je takva praksa aklamacije <strong>nakon <\/strong>(!) posve\u0107enja preuzeta iz liturgijske tradicije Istoka, u kojoj je stav stajanja vrlo izra\u017een. Euharistija je doga\u0111aj spasenja, dok je stajanje \u2013 uspravni stav \u2013 temeljni stav vjernika: onih koji su spa\u0161eni, suuskrsli s Kristom.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\"><strong>Odgovori<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\">\u00a0 \u00a0Valja re\u0107i i to da Rimski misal donosi tri obrasca poklika-odgovora zajednice. Oni su pravo bogatstvo, pa je uputno da se izmjenjuju, barem u nedjeljnim i blagdanskim slavljima. Donosimo ih ovdje:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\"><em>1.\u00a0<\/em><em>Tvoju smrt, Gospodine, navije\u0161tamo,\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0 \u00a0 tvoje uskrsnu\u0107e slavimo, \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0 \u00a0 tvoj slavni dolazak i\u0161\u010dekujemo.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\"><em>2. Kad god blagujemo ovaj kruh\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0 \u00a0 i pijemo kale\u017e\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0 \u00a0 tvoju smrt, Gospodine, navije\u0161tamo,\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0 \u00a0 tvoj slavni dolazak i\u0161\u010dekujemo.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify;\"><em>3. Spasi nas. Spasitelju svijeta,\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0 \u00a0 koji si nas svojim kri\u017eem i uskrsnu\u0107em oslobodio.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:center;\">.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align:right;\"><strong><em>I.G.\u00a0<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Povijest ovog poklika \u00a0 Usklik Tajna vjere!, zajedno s prate\u0107im poklikom puka (Tvoju smrt Gospodine, navije\u0161tamo&#8230;) novost je koju je u euharistijsku molitvu unijela liturgijska obnova nakon Drugoga vatikanskoga sabora. \u00a0 Valja odmah na po\u010detku re\u0107i da prijevod Tajna vjere ne odgovara izvornom latinskom pokliku Mysterium fidei!\u00a0Naime, tajna je prije ne\u0161to u \u0161to se ponire [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":78725290,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_wpcom_ai_launchpad_first_post":false,"_jetpack_hide_featured_image":false,"_jetpack_featured_image_duplicate_dismissed":0,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[683900333],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1804","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgijske-teme"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.7 - 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